You know, I wouldn't mind buying shows from Apple if I could remove the DRM so they can play in whatever.

But you know. Capitalism.

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@Are0h I've started buying more movies on Blu-ray and ripping them to Plex.

Feel like an Old, but the DRM restrictions from all the online stores are cumbersome.

@ted I don't blame you. DRM is a pain in the ass for even the most tech savvy people.

We want to spend our money on good content. What we don't want is to be told how and when we can access product that we pay for.

That's why piracy will never go away. That's more ethical than the bullshit these companies are doing.

@Are0h while agree on the DRM I don't think that we can say that piracy is ethical. People deserve to get paid for their work.

There's a ton of BS the companies they work for put in between me and paying the people doing the work, but the connection is still there.

The system is horribly inefficient, but that doesn't mean I should steal their labor.

@ted I'm pretty close to the entertainment business and trust when I say these places are not paying artist what they are worth.

Let's take oddisee for example. He's an music artist that tours and puts out music on his own, much of it for free, but the music he does put out, people buy. He makes a great living despite not being very well known.

Obviously people people should be paid, but if you're saying our money is getting to artist through current mechanisms, you're just wrong.

@Are0h I'm not saying that they're getting paid their worth or that it is the best way to deliver content.

My concern is that piracy establishes a situation where an artist doesn't get to choose how they distribute their content or get paid.

For instance, yiff.party where artists get their Patreon private content reposted. Not cool.

@ted Yeah, I get that but the same thing is happening through alleged legal channels.

There are artists that can't get the rights back from their work because they signed it over unknowingly. The music industry is notorious for this.

No system is perfect, so I get that part too. But I find we have so much more patience for corporations that have kept artists systemically impoverished for decades vs. the relatively new phenomenon of piracy.

So it's not really a moral argument at all.

@ted Further, most piracy spots advocate going to support one's work if they dig it. The ones that are worth a damn anyway.

I'd rather go that route and give my money to an artist directly rather than go through channels that want to retain control of stuff that I purchase.

In that sense, yes, piracy is far more ethical b/c it's about removing barriers between people's work and the people that want that work and are willing to pay.

@Are0h I'm all for that if that's what the artist wants and endorses. I'm not okay if fans decide that is what they want against the artist's wishes.

@ted Agreed. And there is more respect for artists with folks that distribute their work freely than there is with corporate entities that have exploited their labor for little to no gain.

And like I said, no system is perfect yet because both parties just can't seem to work together to find a solution for whatever reason, but entertainment companies have been exploiting the craft for a long time.

So I'm for anything that makes it harder for them to do that.

@Are0h at the end of the day I'm convinced we need Copyright reform. It isn't working. I think that it is most obvious with software, but it is the same with all creative media. Digital changed things and our laws haven't adapted enough.

I haven't heard of any solutions I thought would work though.

@ted We definitely agree on that. And it doesn't help matters that most creative rights laws favor companies trying to exploit labor rather than the artist, which is of course is an American tradition when it comes to worker rights.

Digital has completely changed the game and are kind of just getting left behind as more and more artists are just deciding to put our their own work independently, which has always been the best solution.

The movie and tv industry is just very very regressive.

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